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blast off on another vip episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51.

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today

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when it comes to research into the ins

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and outs of ufo flaps few books compare

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to the painstaking work

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put into clearing the doubt surrounding

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the pascagoula abduction case

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on october 11

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1973 many things transpired to a variety

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of people

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lending credence to a fascinating array

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of anomalous activity of which the likes

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have hardly been seen before or since

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dr irena scott dives deeply into one of

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the biggest ufo waves the planet has

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ever seen in her extremely entertaining

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new book beyond pascagoula

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the rest of the amazing story

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whether you opt for the hardback

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paperback kindle or audiobook you will

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surely be blown away by the amount of

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evidence

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which points to a reality which is very

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hard to wrap one's mind around

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pinning down eyewitness accounts paper

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trails and any scientific reports

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dr scott coordinates a sobering attack

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through logical data on a very chaotic

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scenario involving ufos

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abductions and possibly the second

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loudest sound ever heard throughout time

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though her protocol

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is very scientific she connects the

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irrational spectacular dots of the 1973

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also she adds further evidence exploring

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universities and government

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installations

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historians and even law enforcement

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archives tell a tale that reads much

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like an attack from outer space with

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police switchboards lighting up with

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reports of flying objects

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police units even interacted with some

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of the ufos during this wave of high

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dr scott has really delved beyond one of

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the most well-respected ufo cases and

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created a spectacular work of literature

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and considerable importance

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relaying the facts about the most

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widespread of all ufo incidents

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dr scott welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast

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thank you very much for having me

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yeah it's without question you have

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really contributed so much to one of the

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most important cases in ufology

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your book beyond pascagoula is

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remarkably well written researched and

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documented

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and firstly before we get to questions i

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really wanted to thank you for your

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contribution overall

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thank you very much i worked for quite a

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while on it

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my book says many years not you know on

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it exclusively but i put a lot of time

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on absolutely and it shows

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dr scott you've really created not only

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a masterpiece of historical evidence but

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in my opinion a very enjoyable book to

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read regarding what appears to be

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the most widespread of all ufo incidents

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what prompted you to begin looking into

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what prompted me was um as i wrote in my

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many many years ago

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i had had a phone call from my mother

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who was a skeptic

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she was in ohio and i was in missouri

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about 600 miles away

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and she asked me did you

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hear a sound

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and i teased her about it because she'd

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always said if she was developing

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dementia we should tell her and so i

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told her to you know check in with the

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insane asylum and joked around

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um and then several days later she

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called and said that there was a huge

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um ufo wave there that everybody was

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seeing and all kinds of people were

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singing people were staying at night

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people were taking their keeping their

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kids in and all kinds of things that was

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she's like i said a skeptic

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some of her friends saw him and one of

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i was in missouri and not much was

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and not those things that give you the

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headache when you turn them around

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to do see if i could find the date on

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zillions and zillions and zillions of

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papers and i thought i'll never find it

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october in 73 but i wasn't sure even of

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and so i started looking and i found it

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really quickly to my surprise wow a

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little tiny article about the noise and

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so i had a date and this seemed

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pretty weird to be associated with ufos

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because ufos are so ephemeral they don't

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have many witnesses they kind of sneak

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around the dark and get one person and

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but it was heard by millions and

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yeah and so i was curious is to find

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what caused the sound

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anything

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it still seemed mysterious

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in a peer-reviewed scientific journal

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about

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well the state of ohio seismologist saw

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my submission and was quite interested

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and all that and do some more exploring

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so anyway i did publish and

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in the um in a scientific journal

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that in ohio that were ufo people

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about it and i call it the big bang

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something else that happened at the same

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what's described as an interactive

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behavior between the ufos and the

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behavior is a sign of life and

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compiling this vast amount of evidence

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um i of course don't know but um there

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on obvious things where people thought

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a truck driver might see a ufo and shine

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a light on it and then they would the

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ufo would go away

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the ufo would swoop down on people and

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something but it was interactive

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showing that this is probably something

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top navy ship manufacturer

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air force base and it was one of the

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where ufos are investigated and it's a

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testing out airplanes and things not

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like area 51 but yeah it

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actually has its own area 51 yeah and

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huge air force base now that employs

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government yeah um like a pentagon

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observatories and that sort of thing

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absolutely it was so wild it really is

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and

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i found it very interesting the book

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details that the many independent

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reports and seismograph readings surely

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they indicate something took place and

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that is fairly hard evidence in my

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opinion that's difficult to ignore

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what has been your experience of the

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official narrative trying to explain

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this away

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well they've always explained everything

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away

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if somebody says they saw something

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landing in their yard they'll say well

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this is venus

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and they even good photography even some

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of the good photography they have now

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from ships and radar and things

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they'll still debunk it yup but i've

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never heard anybody debunk a seismograph

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recording and there were two seismograph

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recordings of the sound plus many many

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witnesses

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and so i think that this

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is good sound scientific evidence

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something took place

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oh big time big time it is

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and i i think it's important to mention

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that this all occurred at a difficult

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time in political climate at the same

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time as the yom kippur war between

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israel and a number of arab states and

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there was a nuclear alert of sorts how

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did this affect the beliefs surrounding

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the massive u.s ufo wave

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well i covered in another chapter

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ufo waves and what they're associated

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with and people think they're associated

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with things like the media like if a

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movie comes out when people see more

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ufos and things like that well that

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isn't what happened i mean like when um

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some of the top movies about aliens came

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out where there was an increase in ufos

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and when russia set up the first

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satellite there wasn't any increase

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and um it doesn't

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it's unknown why there's

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big

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flaps

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but in this case

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there was

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a whole lot going on

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one thing was in the united states

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there was the impeachment of the

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president

348
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and the oil shortage

349
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and things like that but there was also

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this is

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the 73 wave was considered by many to be

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the

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largest ufo wave ever

354
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and the last one

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and um

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at that time there was a young competit

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war

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and um

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the def con

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two nuclear alert which

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happened just a little bit after the

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october the 11th i think it was october

363
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the 24th

364
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and that was the last

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nuclear alert there's only been two or

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three of them

367
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that ever happened

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where there's a possibility nuclear war

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yeah and so this was a pretty intense

370
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time

371
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and probably most people didn't know

372
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there was that

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um

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because they didn't declassify the

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nuclear

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uh alert until

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fairly recently so that most people

378
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didn't know there was anything like that

379
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:17,279
going on but there was a possibility

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nuclear nuclear war at that time

381
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pretty big deal yes it was

382
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israel and the arab states

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if they

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they had evidence of nuclear um

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armament and in that case russia would

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side with the arab states the united

387
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states would

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side with israel and

389
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they could blow up the world at that

390
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time really good most people didn't

391
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realize it but

392
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the um

393
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flap was around that time too

394
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yeah it was high tense

395
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very very tense times and let's delve a

396
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little bit into that portion of history

397
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that we've kind of delved into it's so

398
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enthralling

399
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the massive sound associated with this

400
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,160
ufo flapper wave was heard as we

401
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:08,480
mentioned over washington dc and it

402
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,279
occurred during a time of super high

403
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international attention

404
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uh watergate and this nuclear alert that

405
00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:17,120
you mentioned

406
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did the white house ever come out with

407
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,839
an official statement about the

408
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,560
situation

409
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,120
it never did it's like it never happened

410
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it made the newspapers across the

411
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country it happened on the night of um

412
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october 11th and i collected the

413
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newspapers from the 12th it made a lot

414
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of newspaper headlines over the area it

415
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,199
covered

416
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,440
from iowa to um

417
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the atlantic coast near washington

418
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but the very next day or so people just

419
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forgot about it

420
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,560
that was kind of funny because the same

421
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,560
thing had happened when there was a flap

422
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over um

423
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:58,079
washington dc in 1952 there were

424
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,000
sightings all over and radar visual

425
00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:01,600
sightings and everything and the

426
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,959
government said oh this is the

427
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,400
temperature inversion

428
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,120
and nobody worried in this case

429
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,280
i think people forgot about it because

430
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,280
nobody saw anything

431
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,880
and hearing something i think is

432
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:14,720
different from seeing it

433
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,520
and

434
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,120
the government didn't explain anything

435
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,199
there was no explanation or anything it

436
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,039
just made newspaper headlines and then

437
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,120
everybody forgot about it

438
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,439
yeah except me

439
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,919
and i'm glad you didn't

440
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:29,440
i think a lot of us are glad you didn't

441
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:31,600
forget about it and something

442
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,760
fascinating which was outlined in your

443
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:34,720
book

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00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,039
uh sort of on the opposite of the

445
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:39,039
spectrum was the statement made in the

446
00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:40,640
ufo case book

447
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:43,280
by kevin d randall where he postulates

448
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,760
that perhaps this well-documented ufo

449
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:47,039
flap was

450
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:49,840
what he called the october scenario and

451
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,160
possibly the only extraterrestrial

452
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,240
visitation that has actually occurred on

453
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,799
earth what are your thoughts about his

454
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:58,960
theory

455
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,600
well i think um

456
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:03,520
he explained that in more detail but i

457
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,559
think it's possible and i line that up

458
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:08,240
with um

459
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:09,440
that

460
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:14,000
outer space into our solar system i

461
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:15,919
can't pronounce its name

462
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:19,200
or something yeah and um

463
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,160
left

464
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:23,280
that was a couple years ago

465
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:25,360
and it's the only there's only been two

466
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:28,720
of them so far that they've seen across

467
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,240
our solar system but back in 1973 if one

468
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:35,120
did that nobody would have recognized it

469
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,320
so i i speculated in the book

470
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:40,080
that possibly

471
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:41,840
something like that had happened at that

472
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,880
time

473
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:44,559
and um

474
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,840
maybe that was the one time we had been

475
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:49,120
um

476
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:50,559
looked at

477
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,360
by

478
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,360
aliens

479
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:55,120
i mean i doubt it but

480
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,240
it that's still what uh he's speculating

481
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,080
it's possible

482
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:02,000
yeah that something passed through our

483
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:03,919
solar system right then

484
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:04,799
and

485
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,440
yes

486
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,480
and i have a hard time pronouncing that

487
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:14,960
too i it but it is really something that

488
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,480
intrigues me it's such a interesting

489
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:20,799
thing that it also kind of seems to uh

490
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:23,600
catch a blind eye um getting getting to

491
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,000
the meat of the matter the abduction

492
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:28,320
scenario by charles hickson and calvin

493
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,919
parker is

494
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,240
by far one of the most significant in

495
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,720
history in my opinion and

496
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,360
the aliens are described so different in

497
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:39,919
so many ways in appearance and function

498
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,559
i mean these alien entities look like

499
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,080
nothing really described before this

500
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,880
case making it fairly unique and it's

501
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,200
almost like a different type of alien

502
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,760
species came down for a while and

503
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,320
had quite the heyday in their blue craft

504
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:56,640
and i get where people like

505
00:20:02,029 --> 00:19:59,440
kevin randle would get their theories

506
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:02,039
can we get into the things that made the

507
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:05,600
1973 ufo wave so much different than

508
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,950
well one thing that made it different

509
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:16,070
the abductors

510
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:16,960
and

511
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,240
usually when people describe aliens

512
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:22,640
somehow they have the idea that they're

513
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:25,280
very slender beings with big heads and

514
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:26,559
big eyes

515
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:27,360
and

516
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:28,159
um

517
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:29,200
all that

518
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,400
well these

519
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,400
were about as opposite as you could get

520
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,600
to that

521
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,120
um

522
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,440
they were sort of porky or portly or

523
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,039
whatever you'd call it

524
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,520
obese maybe not quite obese but have it

525
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,039
set

526
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,559
wrinkled

527
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:46,559
and

528
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,760
they were

529
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,919
mechanic they gave the

530
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,870
uh the abductors the opinion

531
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,960
i mean the abductees the opinion that

532
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,480
they were mechanical

533
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,880
like robots or something

534
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,960
and um

535
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,080
they

536
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,799
didn't have the big heads

537
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,880
they also didn't have the big eyes in

538
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,240
fact they didn't even know if they saw

539
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,000
any eyes

540
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,480
but where people have projecting

541
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,480
projections out of their head

542
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,480
they had like ears and a nose these

543
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,120
things had something called sort of like

544
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,640
carrots or something

545
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,200
sticking out from um

546
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,200
where their ears where a human's ears

547
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,200
would be and where the nose would be why

548
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,679
they weren't sure if they saw a mouth or

549
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,640
eyes

550
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,600
and so these were about as opposite as

551
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,360
you could get to what

552
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,919
the norm and then they also didn't seem

553
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,520
to have legs they seemed to be just

554
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:43,679
floating around on pedestals

555
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,350
the standard ideas of an alien

556
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,000
they really were freaky

557
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,159
scary scary

558
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,960
very interesting looking beings and

559
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,720
one of my favorite examples of

560
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,000
interaction

561
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,320
with uh these craft in your book

562
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,480
actually took place with people in small

563
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,600
boats

564
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,960
interacting with crafts swimming

565
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,559
underwater now

566
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,320
not only was this one of the most

567
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,200
amazing accounts of interaction with an

568
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,080
underwater submerged object

569
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,280
but it even made the paper but what

570
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,120
it was all but ignored and almost really

571
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,720
made fun of can you describe to

572
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,760
listeners

573
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,840
what took place in the murky waters of

574
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,400
pascagoula that night

575
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,159
well there were two

576
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:34,880
pascagoula surprisingly enough made

577
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,159
the top news twice one was this

578
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:39,600
abduction

579
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,990
underwater

580
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,039
it

581
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:49,760
um this would be called an underwater

582
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,080
submarine object uso instead of ufo

583
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,159
and i there's only one person alive

584
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:58,159
there were 16 people that saw only one

585
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,440
person alive and i interviewed him

586
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,799
several months ago and put it now

587
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,880
about a year ago and put it in the book

588
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,799
um

589
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,480
the abduction

590
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,000
was not

591
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:14,880
people harassed

592
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:18,000
calvin and charles about the abduction

593
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,720
and

594
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,880
everybody a lot of people are saying oh

595
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,799
you know this was just ridiculous it

596
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,000
couldn't happen all that but the

597
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,440
underwater

598
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,320
observation was taken very seriously

599
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,720
and investigated

600
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:35,039
um

601
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,400
it was

602
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,400
um

603
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,799
and what was interesting about it it was

604
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,360
taken seriously one reason was because

605
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,279
it was near the

606
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,960
the huntington ingalls boat

607
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,600
manufacturing place it was near

608
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,400
the

609
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:52,240
atomic

610
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,360
nuclear

611
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,120
submarine

612
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,080
area

613
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:58,480
and near kessler and with all the other

614
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,520
things that were going on in the

615
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,640
government

616
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,120
well they took this very seriously

617
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,720
and what was

618
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,200
odd was that the abduction actually took

619
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:10,080
place closer to all those um

620
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,000
manufacturing places than the um

621
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,600
the underwater

622
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,039
observation

623
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,640
and so they but the coast guard

624
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:23,039
um in the navy took the under

625
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,320
water

626
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,960
investigation quite seriously

627
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,840
um

628
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:30,000
these fishermen were out

629
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,039
well

630
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,760
the uh past goal was on

631
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,960
october the 11th and the underwater was

632
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,360
november the 6th which wasn't too long

633
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,360
afterwards

634
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:42,320
these

635
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,520
fisher people were out in their boats

636
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,480
fishing away or heading nets out

637
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,320
and they were people that had always

638
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,240
been out in the water and lived there

639
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,039
and were very familiar with the water

640
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,080
they saw this thing underwater that was

641
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,000
lit up

642
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,400
and um

643
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,720
the first people

644
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,360
tried to explore it and understand it

645
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,320
and they had a long orb and hit it it

646
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,640
sounded like something metallic

647
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,679
it was um the man i talked to described

648
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,520
as like looking at the top of a

649
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,559
parachute that it was like um

650
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,919
the top of a parachute with lines going

651
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:25,279
from the middle and something in the

652
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:26,840
middle

653
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,799
um and so he and his father

654
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,880
he was 16 at the time

655
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,360
tried to figure out what it was and then

656
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,240
the father's twin and another

657
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,520
uh

658
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,440
vote came up and tried to figure out

659
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,559
what it was

660
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,120
so eventually they couldn't and they

661
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,679
took the boat back to the

662
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,559
coast guard station and reported it

663
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,679
well two coast bar guard officers

664
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,480
came out and they saw it too and they

665
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,440
were just as perplexed as anybody else

666
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:01,039
because

667
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,159
um

668
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,840
like if you didn't bother it it would

669
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,039
just

670
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,600
be there and be lit up a little bit and

671
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,360
sometimes it would really light up

672
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,679
bright it was underwater

673
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,400
and then if they bothered it would

674
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,200
it would turn its lights out but it also

675
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,080
would travel with its lights turned out

676
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,880
and then it would show up someplace else

677
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,720
and um

678
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,520
so they had hit it and things like that

679
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
and the one of the coast guard people

680
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,080
said in his notes

681
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,240
um when you

682
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,320
uh held an ore

683
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,320
over the light that was coming out of it

684
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,559
it was like x-ray light

685
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,159
you it would go right through the ore

686
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,159
and the earth wouldn't cast the shadow

687
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:47,039
which was very very very strange

688
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:47,919
and

689
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:51,440
nobody had any idea what it was

690
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,559
um

691
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,480
they thought it might be something

692
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,919
spying

693
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,559
on them but um

694
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,000
it wasn't anything

695
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:02,960
like a normal submarine or anything

696
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,870
it seemed to know its way around and

697
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,480
there was a

698
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,360
um

699
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,039
deeper area

700
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,679
a deeper trench that went to the

701
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,240
pascagoula river and it mainly stayed

702
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,080
along this trench and traveled along

703
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,440
this trance

704
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,480
but 16 people saw it including two

705
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,320
coast guard people

706
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,559
and nobody had any idea what it was and

707
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,480
this was taken very seriously and the

708
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,840
people were

709
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,720
um uh

710
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,919
questioned by

711
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:37,520
military authorities and that sort of

712
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:38,240
thing

713
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,200
yeah

714
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,120
it makes sense

715
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,880
and um

716
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
i i just found that that was such an

717
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,640
interesting part of the book just it

718
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,080
seemed like it

719
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,880
you you drew such great uh imagery and

720
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,039
such a good picture of what took place

721
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,399
um within days after calvin parker and

722
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,399
hixson's abduction

723
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,720
pascagoula was the focus of

724
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,399
international news

725
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,080
even though their abduction case had

726
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,840
elements that were much different than

727
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,360
just about any other well-known

728
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,559
abduction

729
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,480
as far as description of aliens the

730
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,399
hissing the robotics

731
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,760
etc

732
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,320
neither one of them has ever changed

733
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,640
their story regardless of the various

734
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,960
interviews including those by professor

735
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,480
james harder and j

736
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,840
alan heineck

737
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,240
i mean charles hickson

738
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,480
lived until the age of 80 and despite

739
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,480
ridicule never back down from his story

740
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,159
as your book outlines

741
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:34,799
if anything it seems like this abduction

742
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,159
case only gets more concrete the more

743
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,320
people look into it would you describe

744
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,840
that as the case in being

745
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,840
accurate yes because sometimes like if

746
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,360
people are lying

747
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,799
sometimes they'll embellish and

748
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
embellish and

749
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,919
they've had 40 years to embellish on

750
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,720
this

751
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,480
and nobody embellished they just said

752
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,559
the same thing they said to start with

753
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,360
which

754
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,679
suggests that they it's something they

755
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,000
remember not something they're making up

756
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,159
there were a lot of other reasons to

757
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:06,159
show that it wasn't something they made

758
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,200
up

759
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,039
um like

760
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,600
ufo events and

761
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:14,640
abductions are often presented as hoaxes

762
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,669
uh it happened to them and it was very

763
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,919
very very traumatic i mean they were

764
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,600
both just

765
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,520
shook up out of this world

766
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,159
and then um like when the things

767
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,200
returned them from the ship well i guess

768
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,240
uh

769
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,240
calvin was just standing there with his

770
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,080
arms up in the air and couldn't move and

771
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,279
then um

772
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,760
charlie brought him two and he fell down

773
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,760
and they both fell down and at first

774
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:47,039
they were gonna

775
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,480
they didn't want to say anything to

776
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,240
anybody because obviously nobody

777
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,000
believed them right

778
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,960
and but anyway charlie was older and he

779
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,279
had been in the army and

780
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,679
in life or death situations

781
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,559
and he was kind of able to hold up to it

782
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,320
whereas

783
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:06,080
calvin was 19

784
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,120
and

785
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,640
at that age you know it was just

786
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,919
terrible

787
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,960
well

788
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,279
charlie decide after a while charlie

789
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,919
decided to report it which calvin was

790
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,399
very much against

791
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,080
and um

792
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,919
charlie first of all he tried the

793
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,080
newspaper and the newspaper was closed

794
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,600
at that time of night

795
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,399
then he tried kessler air force base

796
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,640
and they told him they don't do ufos

797
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,440
anymore blue book was closed

798
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,720
and and that's something i mean at that

799
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,320
time they'd close blue book and there

800
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,799
wasn't a place to report those things

801
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,520
that's right and um

802
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,000
so the air force told them to report to

803
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:48,000
the local authorities

804
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:48,880
so

805
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,110
gravy had to be to call the police

806
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:59,200
because you know they would say you're

807
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,399
crazy

808
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,840
and so he called the police and said

809
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,720
you're not going to believe this but

810
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:07,200
we were abducted by ufo

811
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,080
and

812
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,159
the person he called

813
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,919
did kind of believe him because you

814
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,039
could hear

815
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,120
calvin in the background crying and

816
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,440
begging him not to report it

817
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,960
so they brought him into the police

818
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,039
station

819
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,440
and i mean the police had sent out these

820
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,600
bulletins that these two crazy people

821
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,120
drunk people had been picked up and

822
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,480
claiming they were

823
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,640
abducted and everything

824
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,559
and but anyway they

825
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,960
brought him into the police station

826
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,600
and um

827
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,679
questioned them separately and then put

828
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,519
him together in a room

829
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,919
and then left the room and left him uh

830
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,399
alone and what they didn't know was is

831
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,640
that they had left a hidden tape

832
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,480
recorder in the room

833
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,840
and they thought this would be the way

834
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,960
to catch him

835
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,720
if they were hoaxing they would laugh

836
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,039
and joke about putting one over on them

837
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,559
and everything else

838
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,600
well the his mystery tape recorder when

839
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,200
they played it

840
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,039
so they were very

841
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,360
um much telling the truth that they were

842
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,840
both terrified and calvin had said he

843
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,519
felt like he died

844
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,480
and he was praying and everything else

845
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,720
and so they believed them

846
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,840
um

847
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,320
and that helped their credibility a

848
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,600
whole lot

849
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,679
and they both said they would take lie

850
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:26,240
detector tests and everything else

851
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,799
and so right off immediately

852
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,640
they had um

853
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,480
they were believable

854
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,559
absolutely they were

855
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,080
and you know i'm always fascinated by

856
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,159
calvin parker's expression on his face i

857
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,760
mean he just looks like he's seen a

858
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,000
ghost in almost all of the images it's

859
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,799
pretty amazing and and pretty telling

860
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,600
let's get into the serious government

861
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,000
investigation just a little bit that um

862
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,080
you mentioned that took place after the

863
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,080
pascagoula abduction case

864
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,080
and do you believe this had something to

865
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,080
do with huntington ingalls industries

866
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,880
being close by

867
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,799
well i think the um

868
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,120
the coast guard and the navy

869
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,240
investigated it because of that

870
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,480
there was a top shipbuilding area and

871
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,919
there was also

872
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,840
they were building nuclear submarines

873
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,760
too and even today nuclear submarines

874
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,240
are very much in the news like when the

875
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,120
united states sold them to australia

876
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,919
recently and

877
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,519
um

878
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,519
let me see there's something else it was

879
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,440
in the news but anyway they're in

880
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,320
the news quite a bit today and

881
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,720
um they were i think hiding the fact

882
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,000
that they were building nuclear

883
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,640
submarines in from the public

884
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,320
yeah but uh

885
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:46,240
the coast guard was quite the navy was

886
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,279
quite sensitive about that

887
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,200
makes sense with good reason

888
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,480
yeah definitely

889
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:54,240
it

890
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,360
abduction case let's get into

891
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,519
the blair family and the blair family

892
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,279
was i believe the first people you

893
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,960
interviewed and was a very moving

894
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,720
interview for me in the book

895
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,560
what was it like interviewing the blair

896
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,079
family and can we explain their

897
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,200
experience for listeners

898
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,270
we first found out about the blair

899
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,119
family because

900
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,240
kelvin had given a talk at this was

901
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,960
after he came out of the closet on ufos

902
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,639
just a couple years ago and wrote the

903
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,599
book

904
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,520
he'd given a

905
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,200
talk

906
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,280
in pascagoula about

907
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:37,200
um the event

908
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,480
and it was

909
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:40,079
on youtube

910
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:40,879
and

911
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,040
oh yeah my parents

912
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,200
were there or something like that

913
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,750
so philip mantle contacted her

914
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,359
and found out who her parents were

915
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,320
her parents hadn't said anything about

916
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,839
but so i called her parents

917
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,320
i he wanted me to call from the united

918
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,560
states because he was in england and had

919
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,920
you know an english accent and

920
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,160
everything and i could record

921
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:13,920
you know with people's permission the

922
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,880
conversations and so i called maria

923
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,240
blair

924
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,680
and um

925
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,920
i he he said first talk to her husband

926
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,960
and i did

927
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,480
and he didn't talk very long he just

928
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,800
said he heard a big splice

929
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:27,680
and

930
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,839
well she said that um

931
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,839
they were on the opposite side of the

932
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:37,119
river

933
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:38,240
uh from

934
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,000
where charlie was charlie and calvin

935
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,800
and um

936
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,000
they were

937
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:48,720
waiting to go on a boat

938
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,000
um her husband and his supervisor were

939
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,880
taking a boat out

940
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,000
but um

941
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:58,000
his supervisor had been held up by bad

942
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,280
weather or something and couldn't get

943
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,119
there and they had found that out and

944
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,720
they were sitting there in the

945
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,920
car

946
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:06,400
waiting for the supervisor to show up to

947
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,440
go on out

948
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,160
on the pier and get into the boat

949
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,880
um

950
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:14,160
and

951
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,160
started seeing this

952
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:22,400
thing flying around

953
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,119
and

954
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,359
she thought this is

955
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,280
very very strange

956
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,880
because it wasn't like an airplane it

957
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,560
was just flying around like it was

958
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,240
browsing or looking for something like

959
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,720
it was lost and she told her husband it

960
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,000
looks like the

961
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,880
airplane is lost what's it doing

962
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,680
and

963
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,280
she said it just didn't look anything

964
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,720
like an airplane

965
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,960
i mean the way it flew around

966
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,280
and then her husband decided to take his

967
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,800
clothes and get in the car i guess it

968
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,800
was about nine o'clock or so

969
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,400
and so they

970
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,280
walked out the pair he was a head of her

971
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,040
and she said this thing that looked like

972
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,119
a man came out of the water right beside

973
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,720
her on the pair

974
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,200
and she was absolutely terrified and

975
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,560
then it didn't come up again it went

976
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:06,320
back in the water and that's all she saw

977
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,359
of it

978
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,320
well so then they went on to the boat

979
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,760
near the ship

980
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,720
and

981
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,520
she came back around 12

982
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,760
and was just terrified and ran back to

983
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,359
the car

984
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,200
and she seemed so emotional about this

985
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,359
thing that came out of water i kept i

986
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,560
called her several more times and talked

987
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:29,599
and she was still emotional

988
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:35,589
and got you know more descriptions and

989
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,200
everything yeah but later unfortunately

990
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,839
her husband became very ill

991
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,000
and unfortunately died

992
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:45,599
after that

993
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,320
but

994
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,400
um

995
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,640
he he thought this might be his last

996
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,720
time on earth and he had always been a

997
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,640
debunker and told her not to talk about

998
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,800
it that nothing happened everything you

999
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,560
know was normal nothing could have

1000
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:00,000
happened and everything

1001
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,040
and

1002
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,760
um when he was very very sick

1003
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
he said yeah they'd been abducted

1004
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,000
but that he didn't ever want to talk

1005
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,280
about it

1006
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,240
and so he started telling her about

1007
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,359
being aboard this object

1008
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,640
and um

1009
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,880
about how these things came out and got

1010
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:19,920
him

1011
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,430
and

1012
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,800
then he remembered

1013
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,150
beings or whatever they were

1014
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:36,960
swimming back across the water and he

1015
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:40,079
remembered the object taking off

1016
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,040
um

1017
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,200
and then he was put on a ventilator and

1018
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,880
he couldn't talk

1019
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,320
and that was something that happened to

1020
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,839
him just after they were married when

1021
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,680
they were young people they'd raised

1022
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,599
their family and everything and she'd

1023
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,760
been upset for her whole life about what

1024
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,920
happened and he would always he'd always

1025
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,320
debunk her and said nothing happened

1026
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,560
well then just

1027
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,400
at the end he told her yeah something

1028
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,760
happened

1029
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:05,280
um

1030
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:09,040
then

1031
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:09,920
so

1032
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,790
the telephone on video to

1033
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,480
phil mattel too

1034
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,680
that they'd been abducted

1035
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,160
so far she remembers

1036
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:26,079
she some of it came back to her and she

1037
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,440
remembers seeing the object she

1038
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,800
remembers seeing a bright light she

1039
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,119
doesn't remember being inside it

1040
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,520
he remembered being inside it

1041
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:35,839
and she thought there had been some real

1042
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,200
bad physical um

1043
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,119
examination of him or something and

1044
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,800
maybe that's one reason he had never

1045
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,640
talked about

1046
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,640
but um

1047
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,320
so

1048
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,440
it it appeared that

1049
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,599
what from what they were saying that

1050
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,440
um

1051
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,440
they might have been abducted too and

1052
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,359
possibly by the same

1053
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,560
object

1054
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:02,560
that abducted

1055
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,480
uh calvin and charlie yeah absolutely

1056
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,119
it's it's wild how a lot of these things

1057
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,800
there were in your research you found

1058
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:13,280
numerous components to the october 11th

1059
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,480
event

1060
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,720
and uh many of them were mentioned in

1061
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,400
other places

1062
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,960
thunderous booms ufos abductions and

1063
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,000
more simultaneously with pascagoula

1064
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,720
and even can we tell listeners even

1065
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,359
about strange beams of light and their

1066
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,560
unusual characteristics

1067
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,720
yeah well one that happened right then

1068
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,960
was

1069
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,079
when the coast guard person held the ore

1070
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,680
over

1071
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,200
the light coming from the thing

1072
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,240
underneath the submarine object he said

1073
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,119
it looked like the light was like

1074
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,440
x-rays and went right through it

1075
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,839
and another abduction that was took

1076
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,839
place during the flight but wasn't

1077
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:57,359
exactly that time it was in south

1078
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,400
america

1079
00:41:03,670 --> 00:40:59,760
and this man

1080
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,680
said that this object was over his car

1081
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,760
and that his his car was just like it

1082
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:07,599
was transparent that he could see right

1083
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,880
through it it happened to him twice

1084
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,560
and there were a number of

1085
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:15,200
examples of things of just really

1086
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,870
such as those

1087
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,599
yes it very strange

1088
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,240
i i also found it amazing that there was

1089
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,560
right around the same time period um if

1090
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:30,000
i don't want to get this wrong but i

1091
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,200
want to say somebody from the

1092
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:32,480
philippines

1093
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,839
was actually quote unquote kind of

1094
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,720
found in another country uh thousands of

1095
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,880
miles away and

1096
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,319
there was a

1097
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,800
a lot going on

1098
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,760
the blast or the booms

1099
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,680
the bizarre events that occurred

1100
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,440
simultaneously

1101
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:52,480
it

1102
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,520
is that correct

1103
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,599
well it was reported in 10 states and

1104
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:01,760
when i started looking more might have

1105
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,599
been even 12 states because i added

1106
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:07,040
iowa

1107
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,480
and there were evidence of the boom

1108
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,000
being heard in iowa too although it

1109
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,560
hadn't been reported in newspapers then

1110
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,280
but it was in the iowa newspapers and

1111
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,880
you know today you can get on the

1112
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,800
internet and do more exploring of

1113
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,640
newspapers and i think it was

1114
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,599
like uh maybe 12 states

1115
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:26,880
fascinating it is so so wild

1116
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,680
it was very very large it was like i

1117
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,119
said about the

1118
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,920
second most expensive sound ever

1119
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,119
recorded

1120
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,920
aside from crack toe of the volcano

1121
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,599
it is yeah

1122
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,560
very it it's just amazing

1123
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,160
and um the color blue repeatedly came up

1124
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:48,160
in the book as part of the descriptions

1125
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,040
people

1126
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,280
gave to what they witnessed

1127
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,200
in your research did you find any

1128
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,960
telling information about the color's

1129
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,119
significance

1130
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
yeah um i ought to do a scientific study

1131
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,599
of that too um

1132
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,119
normally

1133
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,400
airplane lights are green and red

1134
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,359
and

1135
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,040
quite strobe light

1136
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,920
and meteors are usually look like

1137
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,359
something burning

1138
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,800
so blue is not a natural color that you

1139
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,000
see

1140
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,839
up in blue in the sky

1141
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,319
but a lot of the reports

1142
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,040
had blue in them for example

1143
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,040
um

1144
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,880
kevin and charlie

1145
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,319
what they saw

1146
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,640
when they first saw it was blue

1147
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,000
and quite a number of other people

1148
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,880
saw blue objects or um objects with blue

1149
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,960
lights and that seemed like it was

1150
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:45,440
pretty weird because it wasn't

1151
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,319
what

1152
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,359
um

1153
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,119
if you were reporting airplanes and you

1154
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,880
were mistaking them for a ufo or

1155
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,359
something you would say green and red or

1156
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,000
white you wouldn't say blue

1157
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,480
and a lot of the um objects they saw

1158
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,240
didn't seem to have strobe lights or

1159
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,680
things like that like the airplanes

1160
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,760
would either

1161
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,400
yes absolutely it there's something to

1162
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,880
the blue and the blue lights are

1163
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,200
mentioned in a lot of other

1164
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,280
international cases and they they do

1165
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,800
seem to have

1166
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,720
uh i don't i don't know they seem

1167
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,720
there's something eerie about them the

1168
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,040
october 11th sightings were

1169
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,599
weird enough but can we discuss how

1170
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,560
there was an extensive october 17th wave

1171
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,720
and even humanoid humanoid sightings

1172
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:30,319
there

1173
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,319
a boom but it wasn't like this boom i

1174
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,720
mean this boom went from iowa

1175
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,960
across to the coast and it was

1176
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,560
incremental so that

1177
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,960
it was heard a little bit farther

1178
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,240
later

1179
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,760
um

1180
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,359
as it went east

1181
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,960
the other boom

1182
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,319
there wasn't enough information it

1183
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,280
wasn't big like that but on the 17th

1184
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,200
there was a huge

1185
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,200
amount of um

1186
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,839
all kinds of ufo sightings

1187
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:05,119
and humanoid sightings um i think there

1188
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,270
on that one night

1189
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,359
and

1190
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,800
there were a lot of reports like for

1191
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:15,760
example

1192
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,000
in pascagoula on the 11th well

1193
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,560
there were a lot of reports besides

1194
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:24,160
the abduction

1195
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,880
and

1196
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,200
there were 11 there were about 50

1197
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,280
official reports

1198
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,560
but um

1199
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,640
which is a whole lot for one night

1200
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,119
but a lot of unofficial reports either

1201
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,079
there were people calling all over

1202
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,400
and reporting to the police and things

1203
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,200
they saw something but in columbus ohio

1204
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,319
on the

1205
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,880
17th

1206
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,760
um

1207
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:48,640
there were

1208
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,560
150 reports of ufos which must have been

1209
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,200
a world record i mean i couldn't i saw

1210
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,680
nothing like that anyplace else

1211
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:59,680
um and there were also

1212
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,800
i think 100 around 100 reports in wheel

1213
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,040
in west virginia of ufos the authorities

1214
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,280
and they said it was about ready to

1215
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,400
break out in a panic there

1216
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:12,480
so in a lot of places there were just a

1217
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,079
huge amount of ufo activity

1218
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,160
uh and

1219
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,000
um

1220
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,359
seeing things

1221
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
like my mother said people are keeping

1222
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:26,640
their kids in the house and things like

1223
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,319
that sure like a war zone

1224
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,960
don't blame them it would seem like a

1225
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,520
war of the world scenario and a number

1226
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,839
of the agencies and officials seem to

1227
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,560
have dispelled the idea that any of the

1228
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,720
booms or sounds were an airplane sonic

1229
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,960
boom because none of our aircraft that

1230
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,800
were manufactured could have caused a

1231
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,119
sonic boom quite like that is that

1232
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,960
correct

1233
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,520
well when i first started

1234
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,760
investigating i was working with some

1235
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,960
scientists

1236
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:59,119
and they were quite interested

1237
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,920
um

1238
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,319
and you know one of the information said

1239
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,680
if they found the other thing to let me

1240
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,440
know and help me

1241
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,880
and you know scientists are supposed to

1242
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,400
be skeptics and

1243
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,240
always disproving everything well these

1244
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,160
people seem interested they were

1245
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,440
geologists

1246
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,480
in general

1247
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,280
but then i published about the sound in

1248
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,000
the mufon journal which is a ufo journal

1249
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,599
and surprisingly enough that's where i

1250
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,119
got debunked

1251
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,760
and i was debunked by this person saying

1252
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,079
well this was an sr-71

1253
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,920
airplane that's a big supersonic

1254
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,599
airplane they don't fly anymore but it

1255
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,839
could go way like five times the speed

1256
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,599
of sound that's

1257
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:36,559
probably

1258
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,309
and um

1259
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,510
so

1260
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,640
interesting

1261
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,079
um

1262
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,880
that was where i got debunked was by the

1263
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,800
ufologist

1264
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,040
but by one of them anyway

1265
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,359
however

1266
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,520
at that time i kind of weakly defended

1267
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,520
myself and said well the sound wasn't

1268
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,400
where the airplane was which is true

1269
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,119
but i hadn't really didn't really have

1270
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,720
too much information

1271
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,480
however

1272
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,520
uh

1273
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,240
fairly recently nasa had

1274
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,079
published information about what the

1275
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,040
sonic boom of a sr-71 and what sonic

1276
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,960
booms are like and publish a lot more

1277
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,040
information for example

1278
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,200
the site boom of an airplane depends on

1279
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,800
its height and for every 1000 feet high

1280
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,640
there may be a

1281
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,880
a sonic boom carpet of a mile and things

1282
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,040
but the way to dissipate is sonic boom

1283
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,280
is to get higher and if you get higher

1284
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,640
there's less air

1285
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,880
and less sonic boom

1286
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:42,960
and so anyway i

1287
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,030
answer that question in my book because

1288
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,000
um of the nasa information

1289
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,559
and so i had plotted where the

1290
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,599
sr-71 went and it was well

1291
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,240
attested to because the um privacy

1292
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:04,400
written description it was

1293
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,040
a

1294
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,040
top secret mission then to the middle

1295
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,559
east and everything

1296
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,240
but um

1297
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,920
they said where the airplane was and

1298
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:13,920
where the airplane was

1299
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,359
it was at 80 000 feet

1300
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,920
it went from beale california to sort of

1301
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,400
halfway in between

1302
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
indianapolis and chicago and then up to

1303
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:26,960
griffith air force base which is near

1304
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,640
rome new york up in new york always and

1305
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,520
basically there nobody had heard the

1306
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,079
sound boom where the airplane was

1307
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,000
but this sonic this

1308
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,520
sound

1309
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,240
was not where that airplane was

1310
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,880
it was miles and miles away

1311
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,640
and even it had been a sonic boom it

1312
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,680
would have been on both sides of the

1313
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,319
airplane only for 40 miles so this is

1314
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,040
like it could be like 600 miles away

1315
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,440
from where the airplane was

1316
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,400
and

1317
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:59,040
it where the airplane was

1318
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,880
um people didn't report a sonic boom

1319
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:04,800
um

1320
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,000
it was this the sound

1321
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,359
went across the united states from

1322
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,599
approximately

1323
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,079
galesburg illinois

1324
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,559
straight east whereas the airplane would

1325
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,760
have gone

1326
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,960
northeast

1327
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,960
and

1328
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,599
my debunker had drawn a triangle where

1329
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,680
the sound was and

1330
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,599
reported this was from the airplane but

1331
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,359
he didn't even show where the airplane

1332
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,079
landed in his triangle because it was

1333
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:36,640
off not in the triangle area where the

1334
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,839
sound was so he's kind of his

1335
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,839
demonstrating hypothesis

1336
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,520
yeah and i really appreciated that you

1337
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,520
did actually include that triangle in

1338
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,760
the book and explanation and

1339
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,760
i mean when you're talking about over 10

1340
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:52,319
states i mean it's pretty wild something

1341
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,599
else that really

1342
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:54,800
you know

1343
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,319
stood out to me was october 13th

1344
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:00,079
the uh

1345
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,280
i know i'm not going to say this

1346
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:02,960
correctly the wap

1347
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:06,000
wapa kanita daily news reported

1348
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,920
that a actually a television newsman

1349
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,440
uh

1350
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,599
caught an identified flying object on a

1351
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,240
movie film and i thought that was pretty

1352
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,119
telling uh with this ufo wave that

1353
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,440
you know someone who you would expect

1354
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:23,599
would not try to muddy the waters

1355
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,240
actually caught it on it on a on film

1356
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,760
well yeah and during that time the

1357
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,480
government the governor of ohio reported

1358
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,920
citing

1359
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,800
there were a lot of uh police and

1360
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:38,079
everything else

1361
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:39,200
i mean you said to start with

1362
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,480
interactive

1363
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,640
well the objects seem to be interacted

1364
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,319
with a lot of authorities like the

1365
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,839
police

1366
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,839
and that sort of thing which is kind of

1367
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,119
interesting too

1368
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,319
it really is i mean it's it takes a lot

1369
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,520
of nerve for a policeman to report a ufo

1370
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,280
because

1371
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,200
uh people may

1372
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,440
they might even lose their job

1373
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,040
and some of them did

1374
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,760
absolutely yeah it was a big deal and

1375
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,680
there was so many cases like that so

1376
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,400
many significant cases with people

1377
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,160
reporting things that obviously didn't

1378
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,160
want to just imagine the ones that

1379
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,800
didn't report things and

1380
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,800
you've really created a literary marvel

1381
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,960
with this book in my opinion and gone

1382
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,119
above and beyond in connecting many of

1383
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,280
the strange dots surrounding the

1384
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,440
pascagoula abduction case

1385
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,720
can't thank you enough for your

1386
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,440
contribution and can you tell listeners

1387
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:33,920
as we wrap up where they can purchase

1388
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:37,359
your book and keep up with your work

1389
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,480
well all my books are public are for

1390
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,040
sale on amazon.com this one's called

1391
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,680
beyond pascagoula

1392
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,200
my other one is

1393
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,800
ufos today

1394
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,400
another one that's inside the lightning

1395
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,559
bolt another one is called sick

1396
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,280
recorders they're all

1397
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,960
about ufos

1398
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:58,880
and they're all on amazon.com and

1399
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,240
published by flying this press of philip

1400
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,520
mantle

1401
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,359
okay

1402
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,040
good to know and i'm sure that they're

1403
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,280
all amazing thank you so much for your

1404
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,200
contribution dr scott thank you for

1405
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,680
coming on the podcast and i hope we can

1406
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,599
uh have the opportunity to chat again in

1407
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,200
the future

1408
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,720
well i hope we can too and thank you

1409
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,319
very much

1410
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,000
well there you have it ladies and

1411
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:25,520
gentlemen dr irina scott bringing the

1412
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,480
heat

1413
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,440
and bringing tons

1414
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,480
tons of conclusive evidence everything

1415
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,880
from boats interacting with craft people

1416
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:36,720
interacting with craft

1417
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,920
multiple accounts of abduction humanoids

1418
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,960
loud booms in the sky strange lights of

1419
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,599
a bluish nature which made things seem

1420
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,880
invisible

1421
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,599
truly enthralling and the massive sound

1422
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,640
associated with this ufo flapper wave

1423
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,000
going over

1424
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,000
well a portion of the united states that

1425
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,040
encompassed more than 10 states

1426
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,960
really she created a masterpiece of

1427
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,760
historical evidence very enjoyable book

1428
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:06,720
well documented this ufo flap

1429
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,079
was more than just an october scenario

1430
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,800
as portions of it actually delved into

1431
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,200
november it seemed appropriate being in

1432
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,760
october ourselves right now and

1433
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,839
while the effect of beliefs surrounding

1434
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,319
this massive ufo wave haven't changed

1435
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,640
much we still have many debunkers no

1436
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,599
matter how much concrete hardcore

1437
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,520
evidence is presented

1438
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,599
furthermore the evidence exploring these

1439
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,680
reports from various communities

1440
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,119
universities and government

1441
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,480
installations

1442
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,319
seem to conclude that something took

1443
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:39,440
place

1444
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:43,359
and whether this was an actual

1445
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,400
visitation from another world or other

1446
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,520
creatures or an alien quote-unquote

1447
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,559
presence will probably remain unknown

1448
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,040
however i believe that

1449
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,040
these particular alien entities

1450
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,440
surrounding the calvin parker and hixon

1451
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,799
abduction

1452
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,559
look like nothing

1453
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,040
ever really described before and it

1454
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:07,200
remains one of the most unique

1455
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,440
concrete and profound cases in ufology

1456
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:13,200
thanks so much for listening and until

1457
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,319
next time

1458
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,480
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1459
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:18,720
ground but don't forget to take a look

1460
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:47,030
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